kate was uneasy about Portugal before the holiday/The Sun

Kate's Maddie holiday premonition

By JAMES CLENCH

Published: Today

KATE McCann had a haunting premonition about the holiday on which daughter Madeleine went missing.
She told a close pal before the trip had been booked: “I don’t know why, I’ve just got an uneasy feeling about it.”

Fiona Payne, 36, revealed Kate’s worries to Portuguese police.



Tapas friends ... Fiona and David Payne

Kate and husband Gerry, both 40, were at first undecided about whether to make the trip, she said.

Fiona was one of the Tapas Seven who dined with the McCanns on the night of three-year-old Madeleine’s disappearance at the Mark Warner Ocean Club resort in Praia Da Luz.

She told an officer: “This always haunts me. Kate ... what she said ... she was unsure.

“Gerry was quite keen but Kate said, ‘I don’t know why, I’ve just got an uneasy feeling about it.’

“And I don’t know why she said that. I don’t think even she knows.”

Fiona’s husband David, 42, said: “Kate didn’t feel quite easy about it.”

The details emerged during interviews given by the Tapas Seven — David, Fiona, her mum Dianne Webster, 64, Dr Russell O’Brien and his partner Jane Tanner, both 37, Dr Matthew Oldfield, 39, and his wife Rachael, 37.

They spoke to cops in April at Enderby, Leics.

The documents, which have been seen by The Sun, total more than 1,000 pages.

Asked how Kate appeared after Madeleine’s disappearance Fiona, an anaesthetist, said: “Awful. I’ve never seen such horrible raw emotion in my life and I’ve seen a lot of it in my job.

“She was bereft. She didn’t know what to do, she was panicking, extremely frightened for Madeleine and was wondering where she was or what was happening to her.


"And the helplessness of not being able to do anything, what should she be doing, what could they do.

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“She was angry, really angry, punching walls, kicking walls.

“The next day she was covered in bruises. She was angry at herself.

“She kept saying, ‘I’ve let her down. We’ve let her down, Gerry. We should have been here’. And she prayed a lot.”

Husband David said: “Gerry broke down ... just a broken man.

"He would fling a cupboard open and have a look in a vain, desperate hope she might have been there.


“Then he flung himself on the floor and was just kicking the floor and was just, ‘She’s gone, she’s gone’.”


David’s mother-in-law Dianne said: “Gerry was distraught. I’ve never heard a man make the noises Gerry made.”

dianeh wrote:

Kate's Maddie holiday premonition

By JAMES CLENCH

Published: Today

KATE McCann had a haunting premonition about the holiday on which daughter Madeleine went missing.
She told a close pal before the trip had been booked: “I don’t know why, I’ve just got an uneasy feeling about it.”

Fiona Payne, 36, revealed Kate’s worries to Portuguese police.



Tapas friends ... Fiona and David Payne

Kate and husband Gerry, both 40, were at first undecided about whether to make the trip, she said.

Fiona was one of the Tapas Seven who dined with the McCanns on the night of three-year-old Madeleine’s disappearance at the Mark Warner Ocean Club resort in Praia Da Luz.

She told an officer: “This always haunts me. Kate ... what she said ... she was unsure.

“Gerry was quite keen but Kate said, ‘I don’t know why, I’ve just got an uneasy feeling about it.’

“And I don’t know why she said that. I don’t think even she knows.”

Fiona’s husband David, 42, said: “Kate didn’t feel quite easy about it.”

The details emerged during interviews given by the Tapas Seven — David, Fiona, her mum Dianne Webster, 64, Dr Russell O’Brien and his partner Jane Tanner, both 37, Dr Matthew Oldfield, 39, and his wife Rachael, 37.

They spoke to cops in April at Enderby, Leics.

The documents, which have been seen by The Sun, total more than 1,000 pages.

Asked how Kate appeared after Madeleine’s disappearance Fiona, an anaesthetist, said: “Awful. I’ve never seen such horrible raw emotion in my life and I’ve seen a lot of it in my job.

“She was bereft. She didn’t know what to do, she was panicking, extremely frightened for Madeleine and was wondering where she was or what was happening to her.


"And the helplessness of not being able to do anything, what should she be doing, what could they do.

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“She was angry, really angry, punching walls, kicking walls.

“The next day she was covered in bruises. She was angry at herself.

“She kept saying, ‘I’ve let her down. We’ve let her down, Gerry. We should have been here’. And she prayed a lot.”

Husband David said: “Gerry broke down ... just a broken man.

"He would fling a cupboard open and have a look in a vain, desperate hope she might have been there.


“Then he flung himself on the floor and was just kicking the floor and was just, ‘She’s gone, she’s gone’.”


David’s mother-in-law Dianne said: “Gerry was distraught. I’ve never heard a man make the noises Gerry made.”

here is the link

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/maddie/article1830376.ece

Maybe Kate was just worried about going on holidays with three small children. I know I worry sometimes about going away with my two.

But what stood out for me, is the description of the pain that Gerry and Kate were in when they realised Madeleine was missing.

This article makes a complete mockery of those freaking idiots that keep saying that Kate and Gerry showed no emotion. They just kept the better part of their grief, the more volatile emotions and actions, to themselves.

I can just hear the anti's now, saying the that Payne's made all of this up. Because of course (in the demented anti world) it couldn't be true now could it. That Madeleine was abducted and that her parents want her back. It just shows how stupid and infantile the minds of the anti's are.

clairesy wrote:shingle,

the only answer to that would be for them to have a child of theirs snatched, not to know where she is...how she is...if shes hurting...if shes crying....if shes dead....if shes alive.....who's got her....and what they are doing to her.Laying in bed at night tossing and turning...the last image you see before you fall asleep(if you can) is that of your child's face crying for you...the first you see when you wake...is that of your child's face crying for you.
Pathetic cold hearted people like these cant even begin to comprehend what a person might feel in a desperate situation. There only purpose is to help an already devastated person feel even more pain and hurt.Sick bas#ards is what they are,each and everyone of them, cold and twisted.......... without an ounce of compassion for anyone else.

I know for sure that if anything happened to my 5 year old daughter there is no way on this earth i would be able to be by myself because I know without a doubt I would do myself harm.There is no way i could survive knowing my beautiful child was out there alone without me or her family and friends.I feel sick and frustrated even to think of it.

God bless Kate and Gerry,and god bless, and take of little Madeleine to.

Rosiepops wrote:Obviously the idiots have thrown so many accusations and offered so many bizarre killing theories, imagined so much that is not there, ie bruises on Kate's arms and non existent bruises on Madeleine's arms, that they have now painted themselves into a corner.

Re the wall thing, I have had the misfortune to see someone attack a wall in grief, they punch it, kick it and pummel it, they slam their forearms against it, striking from their elbows up on the sides and the underneath of their arms and hit and hit and hit it in complete despair, they damage forearms and knees and shins, they even managed to kick themselves, they throw themselves down to the floor in complete despair, they are not mindful of any furniture that is around, they fall into furniture, they trip up things, in short they do not know what they are doing because they have lost control, it is a grief release mechanism.

You need to be damned strong to stop them and where do you grab them to stop them from hurting themselves? Probably by the tops of the arms as well as the wrists and forearms and the shoulders if you can manage to get hold of them. This in itself can lead to marks and bruises.

Claudia you need to shut your big ignorant mouth up because you silly stupid person, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You have a vast gap between your ears where your brain should be, like a black hole, things go in but nothing registers, everything is quelled by an overriding blackness.

I can only shake my head in disbelief at your ignorance and callousness, you really are a hateful contemptible person. The whole lot of you are over there in that hell hole.

:All Viles Lose

clairesy wrote:

Rosiepops wrote:Obviously the idiots have thrown so many accusations and offered so many bizarre killing theories, imagined so much that is not there, ie bruises on Kate's arms and non existent bruises on Madeleine's arms, that they have now painted themselves into a corner.

Re the wall thing, I have had the misfortune to see someone attack a wall in grief, they punch it, kick it and pummel it, they slam their forearms against it, striking from their elbows up on the sides and the underneath of their arms and hit and hit and hit it in complete despair, they damage forearms and knees and shins, they even managed to kick themselves, they throw themselves down to the floor in complete despair, they are not mindful of any furniture that is around, they fall into furniture, they trip up things, in short they do not know what they are doing because they have lost control, it is a grief release mechanism.

You need to be damned strong to stop them and where do you grab them to stop them from hurting themselves? Probably by the tops of the arms as well as the wrists and forearms and the shoulders if you can manage to get hold of them. This in itself can lead to marks and bruises.

Claudia you need to shut your big ignorant mouth up because you silly stupid person, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You have a vast gap between your ears where your brain should be, like a black hole, things go in but nothing registers, everything is quelled by an overriding blackness.

I can only shake my head in disbelief at your ignorance and callousness, you really are a hateful contemptible person. The whole lot of you are over there in that hell hole.

Well said Rosie...absolutely correct to.
I haven't saw anyone throwing fists at the wall in grief etc but i have saw someone so upset that they hit themselves and things.
A friend of mine got extremely upset once over the loss of someone close to her. She didn't cry at the funeral,infact she laughed her way through it with nerves and shock.
It was after she cried...one time getting really upset she sobbed her heart out.She couldn't even talk properly through sobbing.It was heart wrenching to see her like that,really upsetting.
She was soo upset crying that she couldn't live without this person with her and that she missed them and didn't think she wondered when she would ever feel normal again etc.Then she was pulling at her clothes and punching her legs etc it was awful. I was crying for her because i could see how see how desperate and upset she was.There was nothing i could do for her..i couldn't bring back that person into her life,nor could i take away the pain,all i could do was be there and hold her..nothing else at all.It was really frustrating.I think sometimes people like these frigging viles lot are just out to cause more issues for others.To be honest i don't think they believe half of what they say themselves.If they do,then its extrememly worrying i wouldn't like to know someone as heartless and vindictive as they are.

They are the type of person that would enjoy watching a person upset because they get some cheap frill from it. It explains why they continually pick holes in everything that g&k do. The difference between them and someone like us lot here is this...

they see k&g looking normal/ not crying and imagine they are cold and heartless...almost enjoying Madeleine being absent

we think they are trying their hardest to plod onwards through this mess keeping a brave face for the twins and trying to hold it together so they can help Madeleine by doing something constructive.

they see them upset and crying and imagine they must be putting on a front .....some sort of deluded show for the cameras...a sympathy vote etc.

whereas we can clearly see that their pain as gotten too much for them...almost unbearable and they cant hold back their emotions anymore.


Thing is im the kind of person that can sit here and say.if one of them was in their situation I would not feel anything for them and instead dish out what they have to k&g.
But i know in my heart of hearts,that i wouldn't be capable fof doing that to them,because i couldn't bring myself to be so cold to another person.