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Post by vee8 Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:12 pm

Ex Portuguese police chief claims that Gerry McCann hid the body of Madeleine McCann on the beach

Sep 6, 2008 - 11:36 AM

The ex Director of the Criminal Investigation department of the Police in Portimao, Gonçalo Amaral, who head the team searching for Madeleine McCann, has given an interview in today’s El Mundo newspaper.

The man who was sacked after making the parents suspects in the case claims that Gerry McCann hid Madeleine’s body on the beach, and that the child died from an accident, claiming she could have fallen off the sofa or there could have been an overdose of Capel, a sleeping drug.

The ex Police chief, whose book on the case has sold 120,000 copies in two weeks – a record in Portugal, claims there are many inconsistencies in the case. He says a window which Kate McCann claims was found open when Maddie vanished was in fact always closed, and he speaks of an Irish witness who said he saw Gerry McCann with a girl in his arms walking down to the beach on the night she disappeared. He thinks it possible that she was then dug up and moved in the hire car which the McCann’s rented 23 days later, and where Scotland Yard dogs found DNA remains which could have been from Maddie.

He claims that the nine people who dined together with the McCann’s that night must have agreed to lie in the case.

He also tells the paper that the McCann’s are human, ‘If they admit that Maddie is dead then they cannot collect from a fund of more than a million pounds’.

http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news/publish/article_17886.shtml

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Unbelievable! Firstly he claims he is only sure that Madeleine died in the appartment, but after that he has no idea what happened. Now he DOES have an idea. :suspect: Gerry, in full view of the locals and tourists, calmly strolls down to the beach, buries Madeleine, and strolls back again, and no one questioned what he was doing? Then 26 days later he goes back to the beach, finds the exact spot he burried her, dug her up and put her in the back of the car and took her God knows where to re-bury her? And NO ONE saw him, only this Irish witness? And in that time the tide didn't wash away the body, or kids making sandcastles never dug her up? With all the worlds media watching, he did all this??? So who is this mysterious Irish witness, because he sure as hell was never interviewed by the police. This mans actions stink worse than a sewerage plant with a mechanical breakdown on the hottest day of summer.
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Post by Rosie Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:19 pm

This is so ridiculous, that a man supposed to be a senior investigative officer can come out with such a load of nonsense, no wonder this investigation reached such a dire state and no wonder this man was sacked and I hope he gets what is coming to him this month. Poor Madeleine and her parents never stood a chance if this man Goncalo Amaral, is the standard of policing in Portugal, then God help the young, the old, the sick and the vulnerable in trouble and in need of a reliable trustworthy above reproach police force. Goncalo Amaral epitomises all that is wrong with the Portuguese police force.

Ex Portuguese police chief claims that Gerry McCann hid the body of Madeleine McCann on the beach

Sep 6, 2008 - 11:36 AM

The ex Director of the Criminal Investigation department of the Police in Portimao, Gonçalo Amaral, who head the team searching for Madeleine McCann, has given an interview in today’s El Mundo newspaper.

The man who was sacked after making the parents suspects in the case claims that Gerry McCann hid Madeleine’s body on the beach, and that the child died from an accident, claiming she could have fallen off the sofa or there could have been an overdose of Capel, a sleeping drug.

1...If Gerry McCann hid Madeleine's body on the beach, where is it now? I don't suppose a couple of hundred tides would not have helped reveal it, not to mention tourists, or those searching for her?

2...If Amaral thought that Gerry buried Madeleine on the beach, why did he *NOT* take up the British dog handler's offer of allowing Eddie to comb the beach of Praia da Luz?

3...If Madeleine dies of an accident, why her parents both doctors did not simply request an ambulance, why on God's earth would they concoct such a highly convoluted story involving many witnesses being sworn to secrecy to ostensibly hide what was just an accident?

4...it is NOT Capel, it is Calpol.
  • Calpol is as (all parents know in Britain) liquid paracetamol.
  • Liquid paracetamol does NOT have any sedative properties, other than giving pain relief and lowering fever, which naturally would settle a fractious uncomfortable tired baby or small child and help them to sleep.
  • Even if Madeleine's parents *BOTH* doctors had somehow managed to give this child an overdose of liquid paracetamol, or even if Madeleine herself had managed to get the bottle an drink the whole lot in one go, it would *NOT* kill her immediately, in fact if medical treatment is sought immediately then the effects of drinking a whole bottle of Calpol can normally be reversed.
  • Paracetamol kills by damaging the liver, it does not kill by sedation and depression of the respiratory system ie it does NOT stop you breathing. In fact people with paracetamol damage often appear fit and well as the damage to the liver is insidious.
  • There is an antidote to paracetamol overdose and as doctors Madeleine's parents would be aware of this.
  • Provided the antidote is given within 12 hours, a complete recovery can be made.
  • Even if the antidote is given beyond 12 hours and within 48 hours, paracetamol toxicity on the liver can be reversed in most cases of a previously healthy person.
  • There could *NOT* have been a build up in Madeleine's system of paracetamol given over a number of days, as paracetamol is *NOT* stored by the body it is metabolised and providing dosages are kept to within safe limits, toxicity should not build up in normal fit healthy people with healthy livers.


The ex Police chief, whose book on the case has sold 120,000 copies in two weeks – a record in Portugal, claims there are many inconsistencies in the case.

Yes there are many inconsistencies in this case and 99.9% stemmed from the involvement of Goncalo Amaral and what he should have done at a certain time and *FAILED* to do and what he should NOT have done at a certain time and did. ie.
  • He SHOULD have attended the scene of a missing toddler, vanished from her bed in the night and he did NOT.
  • He should NOT have allowed the world and his brother to contaminate a crime scene.
  • Amaral should NOT have assumed Madeleine a little girl had simply woken up an wandered off in a strange place in a foreign country.
  • I could go on and on the catastrophic list of Amaral/Portuguese police blunders is endless!


He says a window which Kate McCann claims was found open when Maddie vanished was in fact always closed, and he speaks of an Irish witness who said he saw Gerry McCann with a girl in his arms walking down to the beach on the night she disappeared.


Amaral says the window that was open was always closed. How would Amaral know this? He was NOT there, how could he say if it was open or closed? Amaral did NOT attend the scene the night Madeleine disappeared. Why has Amaral decided to say this about this window? Does Amaral detect that his (Amaral's) whole thinly fabricated tissue of non facts comes crashing down?

So much is made of this "Irish Witness" where is he? If this witness statement is so important why did both Amaral and later Rebelo not question him further and provide proper witness testaments and again if what this witness saw was so important, why is it that the Portuguese Attorney General (a) does not agree (b) has NOT seen this witness statement
Where is this statement in the files? Is it the statement that a man has said well the person I saw carrying the child must have been Gerry McCann because of the way he held his child in his arms when alighting the plane on their homeward journey?
In other words a complete load of hollyhocks, like Goncalo 'lardy boy' Amaral himself.

One thing about this "Irish" statement, (if it exists) with a view to the two *INDEPENDANT* witness statements given by two different *unconnected* people of a man seen loitering suspiciously *outside the McCann holiday apartment* in the days immediately before Madeleine vanished, did it not occur to fat boy Gonc, to get an e-fit from this "Irish witness?" Then compare it to the other TWO e-fits they already had from other independent witnesses? Or is this too much like good basic police work, which could very well have led to Madeleine's abductors being apprehended and brought to justice?

Or is this what Goncalo 'fat lardy boy' Amaral, was really afraid may happen?

He thinks it possible that she was then dug up and moved in the hire car which the McCann’s rented 23 days later, and where Scotland Yard dogs found DNA remains which could have been from Maddie.

  • So Amaral would have us believe that Gerry carried Madeleine down to the beach in full view of the public.
  • Scouted around for an impossible to find spot to bury his beloved daughter.
  • Found this spot, completely out of the range of holiday makers and their propensity to dig large holes in the sand and away from little children who love to make sandcastles. (after having popped into the local DIY store to purchase a spade.)
  • Away from the ebb and the flow of very strong tides that would unearth most buried things within days.
  • Having successfully carried this out, without being seen (except for the "Irish witness" of course) Returned 25 days later after having popped into the local DIY store and purchased another spade.
  • In full view of the glare of the public and by now the entire world's media camped out on his doorstep, dug his beautiful daughter up, put her in the hire car through the *front* door only managing to touch the seal and the key fob (Gerry obviously does not go for the easy way of just simply placing her through the tail gate) then drives her away and to find yet another impenetrable, impossible to find place to lay his his beloved daughter?
  • He did all of this without being seen by the world and his wife (and dog, sister, brother, uncle, aunt, etc etc etc)
  • If this is true, why is it that Eddie the famous sniffer dog, did *NOT* detect the scent of cadaverine on Gerry McCann's clothes, which after 25 days must have been extremely strong, especially in the full Portuguese summer heat?
  • Why was there *NOT* found inexcusable amounts of Madeleine's *conclusive' DNA in the hire car?
  • Oh and of course silly me, where was all the sand in the hire car? If Madeleine had been buried on the beach and then dug up again, where is mention of all the sand that *MUST* have been present in the hire car *beyond reasonable doubt?*
  • Oops and was this sand tested for Madeleine's DNA? sand is porous, it would have soaked something up.
    [8*]Where is the sand? There MUST have been sand, bring in the sand. Sand gets everywhere, you cannot get rid of it, it is like pine needles from Christmas trees, you hoover them tricky little suckers up and you still find them throughout the year, despite repeat vaccuming.



He claims that the nine people who dined together with the McCann’s that night must have agreed to lie in the case.


Oh yes of course the McCann's have managed to swear 9 people (7 people actually, if you take away Kate and Gerry) to absolute secrecy, putting at risk their liberty, their careers, their lives and not to mention putting at risk their children's lives. For what reason exactly? To stop the world finding out that they left their children returning to check on them every 20/30 minutes, while they ate dinner 89 steps away? Oh right, that makes sense then! confused confused confused

It does not stop here the swearing to secrecy of these 7 people either because as the plot thickened so the help of other people outside this list 7 family people away on a week's holiday would have been required.

  • Staff at MW
  • British Ambassador
  • Several Nannies
  • Tapas 7
  • Jes Wilkins
  • Other MW holiday guests
  • Several Eye witnesses
  • The British Prime Minister
  • The British Foreign Secretary
  • The British Home Secretary
  • The British Press
  • The Fisherman etc etc


He also tells the paper that the McCann’s are human, ‘If they admit that Maddie is dead then they cannot collect from a fund of more than a million pounds’.

So because the McCann's are human Amaral wants us all to believe they took their beloved little girl away on holiday, killed her in some way, swore the world and his brother to secrecy and then never told anyone in anticipation of garnering a million pounds which they could collect from? Incidentally it is only around £500.000 now and that was because they were awarded damages for libel from the British press, if it were not for this then the fund would be depleted.

Is this man Goncalo Amaral for real? Poor Madeleine, she did not stand a chance.
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Post by Royal Mon Sep 08, 2008 4:09 am

Well he would wouldn't he Rosie, you only have to read my report on "Dog Evidence" under Madeleine Mccann, there's more to this than meets the eye! Alroy.

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Post by Guest Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:42 pm

Royal wrote:Well he would wouldn't he Rosie, you only have to read my report on "Dog Evidence" under Madeleine Mccann, there's more to this than meets the eye! Alroy.

I did read your comment on "Dog Evidence"...and honestly believe that you may have hit the nail on the head. The more you read about Amaral's tactics...the more suspicious they become. He is trying TOO HARD to clear his name. smellarat

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Post by Rosie Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:53 pm

Mum21 wrote:
Royal wrote:Well he would wouldn't he Rosie, you only have to read my report on "Dog Evidence" under Madeleine Mccann, there's more to this than meets the eye! Alroy.

I did read your comment on "Dog Evidence"...and honestly believe that you may have hit the nail on the head. The more you read about Amaral's tactics...the more suspicious they become. He is trying TOO HARD to clear his name. smellarat

Is he trying to clear his name though? Or is it something else entirely?
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Post by Guest Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:12 am

Rosiepops wrote:
Mum21 wrote:
Royal wrote:Well he would wouldn't he Rosie, you only have to read my report on "Dog Evidence" under Madeleine Mccann, there's more to this than meets the eye! Alroy.

I did read your comment on "Dog Evidence"...and honestly believe that you may have hit the nail on the head. The more you read about Amaral's tactics...the more suspicious they become. He is trying TOO HARD to clear his name. smellarat

Is he trying to clear his name though? Or is it something else entirely?

Even if it is something else entirely....he is still trying to clear his name Rosie...if you get my meaning. The sooner they Ididn'tdoit this man up...the better. Only then will this case progress.

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Post by maria Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:13 am

I didn't read properly what is in the thread already, but decided to post this, before I forget.

So, we have cadaver odour and blood that cannot be definitively linked to Madeleine. Now, do we have SAND in the car as well? I hope they took proper evidence when they analysed the car. And there should be sand somewhere else as well, like the villa or car floor, in the front on the driver's side, eventually the passenger's as well. Otherwise, could it be libelous?

I ask this because I've just read over Sky the transcript of an article where there is an explanation on how a body's decomposition can be slowed down by putting it in sand. This transcript in the 'right' hands can 'justify' many many things. And we know tha Amaral and his sympathisers have 'right' hands. (for instance could explain why there is only odour perceived by a specialised dog and not a stinking smell felt for a mile around IMO)

My opinion? Seriously? He is going demented. Not kidding.
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Post by Rosie Tue Sep 09, 2008 7:37 am

This is what I have always asked, where is the sand? If Madeleine was buried on the beach and then dug up again and transported in the Renault hire car then there would have been sand, can't get rid of the stuff, we all know that.

Also how come the odour was on the driver side of the car? Why wasn't it on tailgate? If Gerry did this as Amaral said he did, then why was the odour not all over his clothes? Why was it only on Kate's clothes? Without putting too fine a point on it, after 25 days the odour would have been so strong it would have permeated the whole car, not just a tiny bit on the driver side seal!
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Post by Guest Tue Sep 09, 2008 8:30 pm

I think he is clutching at straws...and quoting anything and everything to save face...and back his theories. The truth of the lie will out...and Amaral is going to end up with a lot more than egg on his face.

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Post by dianeh Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:27 am

Does anyone have any idea how much a body would smell after having been buried on the beach for a few days, or perhaps a week, let alone over 20 days? Unless the weather was below freezing, the answer is it would have stunk up a storm, and any old dog wandering past would have found it. It wouldnt take a specially trained cadaver dog.

Oh dear, but Gonc is a foolish man for even suggesting such a thing. He makes himself look more and more ridiculous as the days go by.
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Post by maria Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:31 pm

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All coming out of Amaral's mouth or pen is currently the expression of despair of a demented man.

Do you now in detail the Joana's case? If you do, but only if you do, go to Joana Morais site and read the article published 09/09/2008. As I told Rosie and Jak, take some anti-sickness pills beforehand.

After you read, please let me know if you find any coincidences with Joana's story.
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Post by Mobira Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:29 pm

The whole interview is strange and for an ex chief investigator of the case, Goncalo Amaral seems disturbingly uninformed – his only reason to believe that the Tapas 9 agreed to this “conspiracy” is the Find Madeleine Fund (which he seems to think they can all happily share between them) So, did nobody bother to tell him that the fund is actually placed in Trust and that any payments made are at the sole discretion of the Trustees? As far as I know, the Trust’s objective is to support the search for Madeleine and therefore the money in it not readily available neither to the McCanns nor the Tapas 9.
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Post by maria Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:03 am

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Hi! Which interview are you refering to?
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Post by Mobira Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:21 am

Hi Maria,

I am referring to the El Mundo interview in which Amaral accuses Gerry of having buried Madeleine on the beach. I am sure that you can read Spanish but the El Mundo article is only available online to subscribers.

However, there is a translation of the interview here

http://messageboards.aol.com/aol/en_us/articles.php?boardId=441995&articleId=495752&func=5&channel=uknews

which is taken from the Joana Morais blogspot I beleive.
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Post by dianeh Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:29 am

Just popped over to Joanna bog site and my goodness what a load of crap that is. I see where you are going about Joanna's case. Do you think that the fat boy wrote that himself and sent to Joanna?

If Joanna doesnt know how libel laws work,she is about to find out.

What I cannot understand is how people come up with these ridiculous ideas and worse, how seemingly otherwise normal people then believe them?

Let me tell you, that as soon as I started reading the article I laughed out loud, and then nearly fell off my chair laughing when I reached the bit about Kate and David Payne. It is plainly so silly, with so much twisted, convoluted rubbish trying to back up these clearly ridiculous claims that it makes for very very funny reading. Probably not the intention that Joanna had.

And I must say that JOanna should have written Gonc book for him, she obviously knows good fiction when she sees it, and has no trouble printing it as the truth. Would have made for a better book.

Actually, the wording of what Madeleine would have said (if it were even remotely true) is reminiscent of what a paedophile would imagine a three year old would say. I would be surprised if the author of the post doesnt have some paedophilia connections. This post is probably worth reporting. I think I will send an email to ST, to see what she thinks.

Thanks for showing it to me.
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Post by Guest Sat Sep 13, 2008 8:28 am

You know what? I refuse to visit that Joana womans site - she sounds like another Alsabella type character, always mouthing off a load of rubbish, innuendo and poison. As for this article, I clicked on it on the online news and did not get past the first couple of paragraphs. Absolutle crap, pure and simple. This Amaral idiot is single handeldly making Portugal an absolute laughing stock. Him and his henchmen have a lot to answer for and to.

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Post by Shingle Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:26 pm

Yes she is evil, but sometimes she shoots the great Portuguese detective in the foot.....but she doesn't see it.

Take the open letter from fatties wife. She translated it and printed it on her site and made a mockery of him. She has belittled him in front of the whole of Portugal.

And the videos of the doggy evidence, by allowing us to see the longer versions, she showed us for the first time, just how those dogs were manipulated.

There have been other snippets, such as the receptionist who called her manager instead of the police......

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Post by Guest Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:59 pm

WHO claims Gerry buried Madeleine on the beach?????????
What did the he/she say??????????????????


Excuse me ladies (and gentlemen) sorry, I AM a Catholic but I am also human,
someone in Portugal is a F*****g evil nutter. Not mentioning any names of course !

Might be worth digging up the beach to see if they can find the person !


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Post by clairesy Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:49 pm

This guy changes his theorie on this case more than he changes his underpants!!!

whats next gonc??? Halloweens coming gonc...i take it your going as your usual self? Take your wife with you...she can go as a vileonbroom
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Post by Guest Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:49 am

Justice Portuguese/Amaral style

If he was from the same stable as my stock, I would put him out of his misery and give the bloke a lethal injection and believe me, I do not say that lightly, as it against my faith

:x :x :x :x :x

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Edited to add that the stable and stock are intended as imaginary - I was comparing the bloke with a mentally sick horse and yes, he comes over as mad to me with his endless and evil theories against parents of an abducted child who have been cleared by his own judiciary - he just can't leg go of that bit he has in his teeth.


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Post by Pedro Silva Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:33 am

He is really mad. What a mad man. To much drugs inhaled by him.

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Post by dianeh Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:52 am

The first post on this thread is the original source of the question to Amaral about the body on the beach.
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Post by maria Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:42 pm

Not drugs inhaled, alcohol drunk and drugs found.
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Post by Pedro Silva Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:56 pm

This guy Gonzo is beyond madness. He cannot make a difference between real life and fiction, he´s world is total fiction. Come on people, get real, it´s impossible for someone who, everytime goes out, with the press on top of them, to put a body buried on the beach, when that beach is visited for thousands, hundreds of people, with children, dogs of their own as pets. Can´t you see people, that if any body were put there, it would of be been find out by now? Get real people, grow up, open your eyes, this guy Gonzo is totally wrong. He is trying to hide is blunders by accusing wrong people, and more disgusting, to make money with this sad abduction. What he should be carried out was top put such determination in finding her such as he put it in write a wrong and full book of lies. But then, why was the PJ put this guy in front of a abduction investigation (which knows only of trafficking drugs?) instead of bring people who are really the top in this kind of cases? I really would like to know that answer.

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Post by Pedro Silva Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:28 pm

About the comments: get real, grow up, this were mented to only about Gonzo / Bennet, not to any of you my fellow supporters in this forum, sorry if it seemed that way, please, don´t be angry with me. Sorry again.

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