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Now Gonzo claims Gerry buried Madeleine on the beach.

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Post by Pedro Silva Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:39 pm

It´s just that claims like the ones Gonzo says, puts me really angry. I truly apologize for any offensive comments or inconvenience. Regards. Your friend. Pedro.

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Post by dianeh Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:16 am

I fully understand who your comments were aimed at, and completely agree with your sentiments concerning the beach and the fools who believe the crap spouting out of Amaral's mouth.

And a very poignant question as to why a detective formerly from the drug squad is put in charge of the searches for 2 missing children, when he isnt a specialist in this area. An area which is highly specialised and an area where modern police forces have specialised officers for these investigations.
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Post by Pedro Silva Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:39 pm

My friend, thank you for your kind words of aggreement. Glad I´m not the only one with this feeling. Regards. Your friend. Pedro.

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Post by maria Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:26 pm

May be this is not news or a new reasoning, but I felt compelled to explain why Amaral came up with this 'pilgrim' theory.

In first place, we have to bear in mind that Amaral is soooo inteligent that he goes straight down to the conclusion (does not jump to conclusions!) even before the beginning of the story is complete.

So, he remembered that beautiful mummies, not decayed or smelly, were rescued on the Sahara desert. Sahara desert, sand. Sand, beach, mummification, decaying stopped, no smell, just odour indentifiable only by a specialised dog. What a theory! It explains everything, the sightings, the unexplained thousands of kms on the Renault meter, the odour, the british politicians interference on the FSS results! How clever of him!

But as I said before, he doesn't consider, as he doesn't know, that in Egypt the corpses were subjected to a complicated process of preservation before burial, aimed exactly at the mummification of the bodies. And the mummies were NOT necessarily burried on sand (rich and important people weren't) but they were dried by heat and lack of humidity. Wich makes exactly the reverse conditions of the beach at Luz, any beach in the world.

And before he comes with another preservation process, there I go explaining why not it is viable. I'm talking about salt preservation. Sea and sand have plenty of salt, haven't they? Salt preservation could be an alternative? No Mr Amaral. Salt preservation requires LOADS of dried salt. It is solved in water in the sea, also in sand. Not good for preservation. Even cod fish is preserved in salt in high sea and after reaching land it is dried, without taking the salt off, under the sun, covered when humid weather comes along (night, rainy days, etc): our famous bacalhau that I'm sure you enjoy very much, Mr Amaral.

So, using just common knowledge, there it goes a theory down the drain. If Madeleine were burried on the beach, her body would have decayed much faster than normal, leaving a pestilent smell in Luz and surroundings.

By the way, were residues of sand found in the Renault boot? They could prove that the car was used to carry things that had been at the beach, like bags carrying things needed for a family trip to the beach. But they also could 'speak' about many other things. Were they found? Were they found? Analised? Or were you so afraid that they wouldn't 'say' anything that you didn't bother to recover them? Or, in your own language, you 'forgot' to recover them as that idea was so idiotic, sorry, hedious, that it did not cross your mind at the time?

So, let's move on to more intelligent theories, shall we Mr Amaral?
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Post by Pedro Silva Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:51 pm

My friend Maria, I agree with you fully. You are absolutely right.

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Post by Royal Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:36 am

It really doesn't matter what Amaral says as its all a load of rubbish, he and his Lackies missed the chance to find Madeleine the night she went missing and blew it. Anyhow, he can lie awake every night dreaming of Sandy beaches and Car boots as often as he likes its not going to make any difference but if he wants to go out on the beach with his bucket and spade every night who are we to say no? The truth is there are so many options now where Madeleine could be and I don't think for one minute the beach is the best place for Amaral to be looking. Obviously we all hope she will be found alive and well some day soon but its no use us trying to hide our heads in the sand when the truth is she could be buried somewhere, perhaps even under the floor boards of some PDL house not very far from the holiday complex. Who ever was responsible for taking Madeleine must have had some plan in mind, how else would they have disappeared so quickly and without trace, they would know, or at least believe, that a search party would be rasied immediately, and what they would not know is if the borders would be closed down immediately. Nothing can be ruled out PDL is just as likely to have its own share of paedophiles, perverts and murderers as the rest of the world these days. Personally I still do not rule out the Kidnapping by boat theory, it seems so obvious somehow, but as I said, there are so many alternatives! Amaral is not and never has been capable of solving the mystery, that's for sure!
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Post by Guest Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:49 am

Maria, your post made me laugh. But this is so serious I should not be laughing.

Alroy, yes and I think he also knows he was never able to solve this mystery. So he reverted to plan B(ook).

What I dont get is why I come across people who believe his theory is fact and the Book is the truth of what happened. Considering the fella has so much against him yet he has a fan following.

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Post by Pedro Silva Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:05 am

His theory and his book are rubbish to me.

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Post by Guest Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:04 am

Pedro, thats because the book and his theory are rubbish. Make good firewood though.

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Post by Royal Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:12 am

Back later perhaps.
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Post by Pedro Silva Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:16 am

I´ll tell you who lied in the Madeleine case: Gonzo.

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Post by Royal Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:59 am

Returning to the sad abduction or kidnapping, describe it as you may, there is no doubt the subjct of little Maddie McCann has stirred the most enormous amount of public interest throughout the world making it all the more intriguing when one considers the huge reward offered for information which amazingly has never claimed, surely even amongst the lowest of the low in the criminal fraternity one would expect at least one member of a gang would be tempted to grass on his mates to collect the money and run? Which somehow leads me to believe this was not necessarilly the work of a large organized gang but very possibly that of two local villains bonded together in guilt and living either in PDL itself or perhaps within a radious of ten or twenty miles or so. Had it been the work of a large organized gang I would then say Madeleine was possibly taken by the sea route, but of the two scenarios I am now starting to lean towards the work of local villians rather than large gangs. If that is the case what are the chances of Madeleine actually being held locally in a sealed room or basement perhaps, it wouldn't be the first time this has happened as in Austria and Belgium for instance. I don't believe Portugal has the advantage of a sex offenders list but I expect the PJ know of a few local paedophiles and perverts, I wonder if they ever thought to check up on them all? For all we know Madeleine could actually be holed up quite litterally just a cock stride away from PDL and the holiday complex from which she was taken?
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Post by clairesy Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:12 am

alroy..nice theorie...Brian ladd believes she is still in or around luz to.I think hes also said she could be underground. Cops in luz wouldn't be able to check local peado simply because they don't know where or who they are.They don't have a sex offenders register and i think when they are released then that's it...period. Cops wouldn't know where they were...they don't keep track on them like we do in the uk....even here in the uk its hard and they still re-offend...but in a country where peados are free...literally free..then its not surprising that Portugal was once described as a haven for peadophiles isn't it?

I have also wondered if Madeleine was taken by a local nut...or two. I keep an open mind and also wonder what (if any) group might have taken her.Some groups don't tell ..so the reward wouldn't be a factor.Infact a lot of these groups are more trusting and loyal to eachother than what two local guys might be.They're usually are made up of deluded leaders etc and work very closely together..all of them are equally twisted and know that if one gets caught...they all will .So silence and protection for a of them is there priority. I do believe though that if it is a group...one day...someone will crack.It will probably one of the younger members of the group that will not want to lie up to the others expectations..this person might already be living in fear of them and maybe doesn't want to be a part of their ways....maybe one day something or someone will give...and Madeleine,along with other children and adults to, will be found as a result.
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Post by Pedro Silva Sat Nov 22, 2008 12:54 am

What a load of crap, lies and rubbish from Gonzo / Bennet.

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Post by honestbroker Sat Nov 22, 2008 7:51 am

From Maria:

In first place, we have to bear in mind that Amaral is soooo inteligent that he goes straight down to the conclusion (does not jump to conclusions!) even before the beginning of the story is complete.

Wonderful post from Maria (all of it) -- and very thought-provoking.

But I have to confess a 'sin', here. My reason for quoting just the two lines I quote is that I got to the end of line one, and my mind was already telling me what the start of line two would read before I'd actually got there. I was, of course, totally wrong! I had it as reading: ... down to ... the pub/bar (take your pick).

Slap wrists and stern admonishment called for, I think.

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